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APPLICANT VS - RESPONDENT: UNI OF NEWCASTLE
The respondent's response to the complainant's allegations was provided to the Anti‑Discrimination Board on
31 January, 2002. In summary, the respondent's response is that Ms. VS's allegations in her complaint to the AntiDiscrimination
Board appear to be at odds with the allegations contained within Ms. Simundic's complaints to the University. For the most
part, Ms. Simundic's complaints to the University appear to be related to Ms. Simundic seeking to challenge academic grading
and termination of field work placement
The respondent states that Ms. Simundic's allegations that her English language skills were criticised by her lecturers
is contrary to comments made on her field work placement report which states " the student perceives herself to have
expressive language difficulties, however neither supervisors nor clients have had difficulty understanding her use of English.
There have however been issues concerning the student's' (sic) understanding of English (in specific situations) raised for
discussion, which will be expanded upon in the learning goals and assessing, choosing and justifying interventions".
The respondent rebuts Ms. Simundic's allegations that she was victimised. They view Ms. Simundic's fail grading as being
due to the unsatisfactory progress and inability by Ms. Simundic to reach the required learning goals of the course.
In response to Ms. Simundic's allegations that she was labelled as "clinically disturbed'. The respondent states
that the comment was contained within an e‑mail sent from Ms. Jo Gaha to the Vice‑Chancellor in raising
Ms. Gaha's concerns about potential concerns for Ms. Simundic and other students and staff members. The respondent asserts
that the full statement reads as ' 1 think that this student is clinically disturbed ‑she could cause harm to a
fellow student or staff member".
On 24 February 2003, the President exercised his discretion under section 88(4) and accepted all the allegations contained
within Ms. Simundic's complaints.
The complaints span the time period from August 1998 to 7 November 2000
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The Anti‑Discrimination Board held a conciliation conference on 8 March, 2002, in an attempt to assist the parties
to resolve this matter. However extensive post‑conciliation discussions and negotiations revealed that the matter
was not able to be conciliated.
INDEX OF TABS
7/11/2000
17/12/2001
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8/02/2002
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On 10 August, 2002, Ms. Simundic requested that the matter be referred to the Equal Opportunity Division of the Administrative
Decisions Tribunal. The complaints appear to fall within sections 7, 17, 49A, 4913, 49C, 49L, 49ZYA, 49ZYB and 50 of the Anti‑Discrimination
Act, 1977 (NSW).
< ----- LIST OF DOCUMENTS SENT TO ADMINISTRATIVE DECISION TRIBUNAL Other documents held by the Board relate to post‑conciliation
negotiations between the complainant and respondent and copies of documentation exchanged between the complainant and the
respondent outside of the Board's process.
Complaint lodged with the Anti Discrimination Board
Board's 1 st letter to respondent, with complaint documentation attached and notice to attend conciliation conference
Respondent's response to complainant's allegations
Complainant's submission commenting on respondent's response and raising the ground of age, which the complainant alleges,
was part of the original complaint to the Anti Discrimination Board
Board's letter to respondent advising them of the complainant's submission to include the ground of age Conciliation Conference
held
Complainant writes to the Board requesting referral to the Equal Opportunity Division of the Administrative Decisions
Tribunal for hearing.
PRESIDENT OF THE ANTIDISCRIMINATION BOARD MR CHRIS PUPLICK
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Mr CHRIS PUPLICK AntiDiscrimination
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Bob Carr |
Why Mr Carr allow his name to be trashed by someone as corrupt and dishonest
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When Mr Puplick was forced to resign due to mounting evidence of corruption related to my case NSW Labor
Party responded publicly with this heart-breaking statement THE resignation of NSW anti-discrimination
chief Chris Puplick has dashed the bid by everyone who has ever suffered over a privacy breach or who has been discriminated
against. Mr Puplick took
up everyone's complaints with integrity, impartiality and independently of the government. In response, the Carr Government nailed him
to the wall for doing his job. The Carr government offended by Mr Puplick's ability not to discriminate and treat people equally,
which was obviously in direct contravention of the Carr government's policy. But Mr Puplick's resignation on Friday over the alleged conflict of interest means
we have lost a decent watchdog that defended our rights. Mr Puplick was forced to resign over revelations he had helped a
friend win thousands of dollars in compensation for a workplace complaint over gay victimisation. |
The CHAMPION for Human Rights had resign 
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Mr. S. Rice original decision published was defamatory statement I knew I couldn’t overturn. Despite accepting that
as the 'Law', my decision was to object to statements and paragraphs published hoping that at least the most obvious defamation
would be removed. It become years of correspondence where every allegation VS Mr Rice was supported by strong evidence and
every time I would send copies to ICAC, Mr. Howard, NSW Premier and every important politician I could find contact information.
Evidence of his criminal behaviour was mounting and Mr. Rice finally understood that I wouldn’t allow my name being
trashed in his court. Under the pressure he removed the long version (of which I have copy) and published this one page decision.
Even this was defamatory. How much this process had cost me emotionally, as well as my family, NSW Government will never be
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Ms VS’s relevant history with the University is that after successfully competing the first year of a Bachelor
of Arts degree program in 1995, she enrolled in a Bachelor of Social Work degree program in 1996. In that year she passed
three subjects and failed a fourth. In 1997 and 1998 she repeated that failed subject and passed it, and passed seven further
subjects. In 1999 she passed two subjects and failed a third, which was her field placement. In 2000 Ms VS failed the repeat
of the 1999 field placement subject, failed a further subject, Foundations of Law, and withdrew from another subject. In 2001
Ms VS commenced leave of absence from the social work degree program and has not returned to it.
3 Ms VS’s failure* in Foundations of Law resulted from her having applied for and received special consideration
to sit for the exam at a later date. As she did not make arrangements to sit the exam within a specified time, a ‘fail’
mark was recorded. *failure
4 Ms VS ’s failure in the 1999 field placement was the subject of an internal inquiry after Ms VS lodged
grievance with the University. The inquiry upheld her grievance in part, and found that her placement has been unreasonably
terminated.
5 Ms VS ’s failure in the 2000 field placement was the subject of an internal inquiry after Ms VS lodged
a further grievance with the University. The inquiry rejected some of the complaints, and was unable to resolve the remainder.
Procedural background
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Ms VS lodged complaints with the Anti-Discrimination Board (ADB) on 7 November 2000 alleging discrimination on the grounds
of race, imputed disability and age, all in the area of education, and alleging victimisation. She identified the University
of Newcastle as the respondent to her complaints. The conduct complained of occurred in the period September to December 1998,
two years before the complaints were lodged
7 On 31 January 2002 the University responded to the allegations. On 23 February 2002 the President of the ADB exercised
his discretion under s88(4) of the Anti-Discrimination Act 1997 (NSW) (AD Act) and accepted the complaints out of time.
8 After a failed attempt * to conciliate the complaint the President, at the request* of Ms VS, referred the complaints
to this Tribunal for inquiry
9 The matter was listed for hearing. At the and of 15 October 2003, the first day of hearing, after Ms VS had given
her evidence, the respondent applied to the Tribunal under s111 of the AD Act for the complaints to be dismissed.
10 On 16 October 2003 the Tribunal refused the application and directed that the hearing proceed on an adjourned date.
The hearing proceeded 12 February 2004 and concluded on 13 February 2004. Written submissions were subsequently filed
11 Ms VS represented herself for a substantial part of the proceedings. She had legal representation only for her evidence
in chief, and in relation to the s111 dismissal application.
12 The legal and evidentiary issues that are raised by a complaint of discrimination are complex. It was appropriate
for the Tribunal to extend its assistance to Ms VS within the bounds discussed by the Full Federal Court in Minogue v Human
Rights and Equal Opportunity Commission [1999] FCA 85. Further, the Tribunal used its powers under the Administrative Decisions
Tribunal Act to “inquire into and inform itself on any matter in such manner as it thinks fit, subject to the rules
of natural justice” (s73(2)), and to act with as little formality as possible, without regard to technicalities
or legal forms (s73(3)). The Tribunal acted under its obligations to ensure that Ms VS understood the nature and legal implications
of the issues that arose, to explain to her its procedures and rulings, and to ensure that she had the fullest opportunity
practicable to be heard (s73(4)).
13 We note that after the time allowed for filing written submissions, after the conclusion of the hearing, Ms VS
provided further written material to the Tribunal. We have taken into account this material in coming to our decision.
14 The facts as they were presented to us were many and complicated. Many of the matters raised by Ms VS , whatever
their substance or merit assessed against other considerations, were not matters arising under the AD Act. The inquiry, and
this decision, is limited to the matters complained of by Ms VS that are possible contraventions of the AD Act.
15 No documents in the form of pleadings were filed with Tribunal. The Tribunal directed that the inquiry would proceed
on the basis of the President’s report and any further statements filed (see eg Gidaro v Secretary, Department of
Social Security, [1998] 400 FCA; (1998) 154 ALR 550 at pp 556-558).
16 The relevant allegations that Ms VS made were reasonably consistent from the time that she lodged her complaint
with the ADB, but at times were obscured or complicated during her admirable efforts to present her own case. For purposes
of this decision it is helpful to set out some of our reasoning when dismissing the application under s111, as it helps to
define the issues as they had become clear during Ms VS ’s evidence. After the issues were defined in this way the
respondent had a further four months to prepare its case.
17 In dismissing the s111 application we said:
. . . there is evidence of Ms VS being subject to treatment which caused her a detriment and which may have been on
the ground of her race . . . As well there is evidence of Ms VS being expected to meet standards of English expression and
comprehension which, it might be argued, a higher proportion of people not of her race may be able to meet . . .
. . . there is evidence – in fact we think it is probably conceded – that a disability was imputed
to Ms VS and there is evidence of her being subject to treatment which caused her detriment and which may have been on the
ground of her disability and which may have been less favourable treatment . . . . . . there is evidence of Ms VS having
made an allegation which would, if established, be a breach of . . . s 50(c) [AD Act – victimisation].
18 Ms VS did not maintain the age discrimination complaint, which was dismissed.
Race
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19 Ms Simundic identifies three ways in which she was treated less favourably on the ground of her race. In each instance
she says that not being able to speak and understand English as fluently as if it was her first language is a characteristic
of her national and ethnic origin, which is Bosnian. We agree that her not being able to speak and understand English as fluently
as if it was her first language is a characteristic of her national and ethnic origin.
Comment by Ms Flynn
20 In her affidavit of 29 August 2003 Ms VS said at [9] that “Ms Flynn . . . referred to me not understanding
her because of my language”. In her grievance to the University in 2000 Ms Simundic had complained of discrimination
on the basis of her language (Grievance Enquiry Team (GET) Report 9 July 2001 at [3.4.1]); the GET Report did not elaborate
on this grievance, and made no finding on it.
21 Ms Simundic says first that her placement supervisor, Ms Leanne Flynn, treated her less favourably on the ground
of this characteristic when, in a meeting in September 1998, Ms Flynn is alleged to have said to Ms VS words to the effect
“I cannot recall that Vesna. Maybe you did not understand very well, maybe your language”. That account
of what Ms Flynn is alleged to have said is in a written account of the whole meeting that Ms VS prepared and annexed to her
affidavit. On 21 January 1999 Ms Simundic wrote to the Deputy Vice-Chancellor Professor English in a letter annexed to her
affidavit, and said that what had been said by Ms Flynn was “I cannot recall that, maybe you did not understand
very well, maybe your language or cultural difference”.
22 The lawyer for the respondent, Ms Beach, submitted that these two accounts of what Ms Flynn said are inconsistent.
In our view they are not inconsistent. The latter contains slightly more detail than the former, without in any way altering
the essential nature of what Ms VS says she recalls was said. We note that Ms Beach elected to not cross-examine Ms Simundic,
so Ms Simundic was given no opportunity to address any alleged inconsistency.
23 Ms Beach submitted that we should not accept Ms VS ’s accounts of what was said as credible because they
differ, and were recorded by Ms VS one year and then five years after the event. Ms Beach relies on the documentary record
of Ms Simundic’s accounts, and says it speaks for itself in establishing that Ms VS ’s account is not
credible. As we have said, however, in our view the accounts do not differ in any material sense. One of the documents was
clearly written only four months after the event. The other is undated and Ms Beach speculates that it was written at the
same time as the affidavit to which it is annexed. We do not know that to be the case. Again we note that Ms Simundic was
not cross-examined.
24 Ms Beach submitted that there is no evidence that the comments were made by Ms Flynn. That is not so. There is in
fact Ms Simundic’s uncontested evidence. As we noted above, the University elected to not cross-examine Ms Simundic,
so it was at no stage suggested to Ms VS that she misremembered what was said or had fabricated her account of it. If there
was another version of Ms Flynn’s comments it would have come from Ms Flynn herself, but the University elected
to not call her to give evidence. From that we infer that had Ms Flynn given evidence, it would not have assisted the University’s
argument that the comments were not made as Ms Simundic alleges. (Jones v Dunkel (1959) 101 CLR 298 per Kitto J at 308; Windeyer
J at 322).
25 We have been given no reason to not accept that the comment was made as alleged by Ms Simundic. The question is
whether the making of the comment was discriminatory. Was Ms Simundic treated less favourably than a person not of that race
was or would have been treated in the same circumstances? For purposes of making the comparison, the circumstances are that
of a field supervisor rejecting an account given by a student of a previous discussion, in the belief that the student had
misunderstood what had previously been said.
26 We are of the view that a person not of Ms Simundic’s national and ethnic origin, for example a person
whose national and ethnic origin was Anglo-Australian, would have been treated differently in the same circumstances. If their
account was dismissed in the belief that they had misunderstood what had previously been said, it clearly would not have been
on the ground of the race-based characteristic of not being able to speak and understand English as fluently as if it was
their first language. Some other reason would necessarily have been suggested for the belief that they had misunderstood.
27 Is this ‘different’ treatment less favourable treatment? For there to be less favourable treatment,
and so unlawful discrimination, the treatment must cause detriment to the person (Haines v Leves (1987) 8 NSWLR 442 at 471C
per Kirby P). By detriment we mean some disadvantage relative to the actual or hypothetical comparator.
28 Ms VS ’s evidence is that Ms Flynn’s comments caused her trauma and psychological damage. It
can be argued that emotional harm can be a ‘detriment’ for purposes of assessing less favourable treatment
but we do not need to decide that in this matter.
29 Even if emotional harm can be a ‘detriment’ for purposes of assessing less favourable treatment,
the most that we can reasonably accept from Ms Simundic’s own account of the effect of Ms Flynn’s comments
is that they upset her – we have no evidence of any actual damage she has suffered. Nor is Ms VS specific in identifying
which of the many comments she alleges against Ms Flynn were the ones that hurt her. The extent of the “verbal abuse”
Ms VS alleges against Ms Flynn is well beyond the single reference Ms Flynn made to national and ethnic origin. In the circumstances
there is no evidence that it was Ms Flynn’s to reference to national and ethnic origin that caused Ms Simundic her
to suffer a detriment. There is therefore no substantiated breach of the Act.Access to blind marking
30 In her affidavit of 29 August 2003 Ms Simundic said at [9] that “the policy of ‘blind marking’
could not protect me but in fact singled me out from other students”. In her grievance to the University in 2000
Ms Simundic had complained of the process of blind marking (Grievance Enquiry Team (GET) Report 9 July 2001 at [5.0-5.3])
but not of discrimination in that process.
31 On 21 January 1999 Ms VS wrote to Professor English in a letter that is annexed to her affidavit, and said If a
student who . . . came from a non-English speaking background, without being able to read, write and communicate on the same
level as students who are born here, does the policy of blind marking gave an excellent opportunity to mark unfairly? .
. . when it comes to a non-English speaking student . . . our ability to write is very recognizable ....denying that our
work is NOT recognizable is the core of discrimination
32 The lawyer for the respondent, Ms Beach, gave evidence for her own client by way of affidavit in which she purports
to explain [at 30] how blind marking operates and why it is used. She says that blind marking is a “means of marking
a de-identified assessment or examination paper to obtain a second opinion”. We do not know why or with what authority
Ms Beach, the University solicitor, gives this evidence, but the description accords with the experience of the Tribunal in
such matters. A letter from the Head of the Social Work Department, Ms Gaha, to Ms VS says “[your] assessment was
marked twice . . . a number of assessments within a group are blind marked by a second marker to double check the marker’s
standard . . . [the blind marker’s comments] are attached. Those attached comments refer throughout merely to “the
author” of the paper being marked.
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33 Further in her affidavit Ms Beach [at 33] “asserts that the practice of blind marking is not discriminatory”.
This is, as Ms Beach says, mere assertion. In her actual written submissions filed after the hearing, Ms Beach does not address
the issue of blind marking.
34 Ms VS ’s allegation is that she could receive the benefit of blind marking only if her written expression
was as fluent as a person from an English-speaking background. Her claim is that the marking was no longer ‘blind’,
and she could be identified, as soon as it was apparent from her written expression that English was not her first language.
35 The benefit of blind marking, to which Ms VS says she had access on condition that she could express herself as
well as a person from an English-speaking background, is unbiased assessment. Concealing the identity of the student –
through blind marking – is a means to that end. For a student to have their identity concealed from the assessor
is not a benefit in itself; the benefit only accrues to the student if and when the assessing is unbiased. .
36 Ms VS is probably correct to say that the efficacy of blind marking as a means of concealing a student’s
identity is dependent to a degree on the student’s ability to not identify themselves through their manner of written
expression. Depending on the size of the respective number of students of English and non-English speaking backgrounds in
the pool of students who are being marked, an assessor may well be able to identify a student from their written expression.
Ms VS , for example, says that in her situation she was one of only two social work students from a non-English speaking background.
That is a matter the respondent may want to consider in its future management of blind marking.
37 Ms VS has identified the risk of being identified in the blind marking process, and has asserted that it in fact
happened to her. There is no evidence in this case that it did. There is real doubt as to who the blind marker was and whether
the correct paper was marked. Even if we were able to say who the blind marker was, there is no evidence that they did in
fact know Ms VS ’s identity. The report of the person whom the respondent says was the blind marker, Alex Beveridge
– disputed by Ms VS – is at annexure 6 of Ms Beach’s affidavit. It betrays no knowledge of
the identity of the student whose paper was being marked, and makes no reference, even by implication, to the written expression
of the paper being marked.
38 Even if it could be established that Ms VS had been identified by the assessor, there is no evidence that she did
not then receive the benefit of an unbiased assessment of her paper. In those circumstances there is no established breach
of the ActField placement
39 Ms VS has a large number of grievances concerning things she says her field placement supervisors said and did.
Only the allegation relating to her English language ability as a characteristic of race is within this Tribunal’s
jurisdiction.
40 This allegation of discriminatory conduct concerns things said by Ms VS ’s field placement supervisors
during her placement at Gosford Hospital in 2000. These supervisors were, at the relevant time, employees of either Gosford
Hospital or the Area Health Service; it does not matter which, as the point is that they were not employed by or contracted
to the respondent. Thus the allegation is not made against the respondent or any of its employees or contractors. Ms VS had
understandably made and pursued the complaint on the basis that those supervising her placement for purposes of her studies,
and reporting to the respondent on that placement, were in an employment relation ship with the respondent.
41 That the field placement supervisors were not employed by or contracted to the respondent was first stated by the
respondent only in Ms Beach’s affidavit filed after Tribunal’s decision to dismiss the respondent’s
s111 application. The point had not been taken by the respondent in its s111 application. Ms VS cross-examined of Ms Beach
who, unusually, as the University’s solicitor gave evidence in her client’s case. The cross-examination
allowed Ms Beach to elaborate on the relationship between the field placement supervisors and the respondent – the
concept of “conjoint appointments”. It was the evidence *of Ms Atkins, one of the field placement supervisors,
that satisfied us that she was not at the relevant time an employee or contractor of the respondent. the evidence *
42 For these reasons we find that complaint of discrimination on the ground of race is not substantiated.
Joinder
43 The respondent could be liable for unlawful discriminatory conduct of the field placement supervisors only as an
aider and abettor under s52 of the AD Act. But that issue cannot arise unless and until it is established that the conduct
of the field placement supervisors was unlawful discrimination. We do not have before us any complaint against the field placement
supervisors as individuals, or against their employer. No such complaint was referred to us by the President of the Anti-Discrimination
Board. We therefore have no jurisdiction to make findings about the lawfulness of the conduct of the field placement supervisors.
44 While the Tribunal has the power to join a person as a respondent to the inquiry if it is of the opinion that that
person ought be joined (s98 AD Act), in the circumstances we did not exercise that power. The extent of the allegation regarding
English language ability as a characteristic of race, in relation to the field placement, was minimal. It turned on comments
made in the end of placement report. The report commented adversely on Ms VS ’s communication skills generally.
Specifically, it identified her “understanding of English” as an issue for discussion. Ms Atkin’s
evidence was that her concern had not been the fact of Ms VS ’s English language comprehension, but Ms VS ’s
failure to say when she did not understand so that the point could be made clearer for her. Similarly, the report identified
Ms VS ’s failure to acknowledge that she did not understand slang, rather than the fact of her not understanding
slang, as a matter to be addressed. The evidence therefore indicated that to us that to the extent that Ms Simundic’s
English language comprehension was an issue in her field placement, it was one that was being raised in circumstances that
would benefit her, rather than cause her detriment. Disability
45 Ms VS says she was discriminated against on the ground of disability in two ways. Presumed disability
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In August 2000 Ms VS wrote a memo, annexed to her affidavit, in which she complained that “Ms Gaha . . . made
defamatory statement about me last year – none of them the truth – and I am labelled as ‘clinically
disturb student’ in the eyes of many staff who work in the Chancellery”. Ms VS attached to her affidavit
of 29 August 2003 a copy of an email sent by Ms Gaha to the Vice Chancellor, Professor Holmes, on 26 August 1999, and of his
reply. Ms VS ’s complaint is that Ms Gaha “labelled” her to the Vice Chancellor as “clinically
disturbed”, and that the Vice Chancellor conveyed to a number of people in the University this concern that Ms Simundic
was a threat to the safety of students and staff.
47 In her email Ms Gaha had written that she suspected that Ms Simundic had earlier in the year been the author of
a threatening letter, that a colleague had said that staff needed to be aware of their safety in Ms VS ’s presence,
that Ms Simundic had been making “defamatory” statements, that she was concerned that Ms VS “could
cause harm to a fellow student or staff member”, and that she thought “that this student is clinically
disturbed”. She sought Professor Holmes’s advice.
48 In his reply, which he copied to three officers of the University, Professor Holmes took account of the “background”
Ms Gaha described, and said that “immediate and appropriate action is warranted”. He advised that Ms VS
should be warned that “intimidatory and /or defamatory behaviour “ will not be tolerated, that she should
be warned of possible consequences, and that she should be referred to counselling.
49 Ms VS makes many allegations the manner in which Ms Gaha treated her. However only the allegation concerning ‘disability’
is within this Tribunal’s jurisdiction. Other allegations relate more generally to Ms Gaha’s professionalism
and demeanour in her dealings with Ms VS . Ms VS has not said that she believes Ms Gaha’s treatment of her more
generally was on the ground of the imputed disability, and it is not possible to infer from her many written documents that
that has been her belief.
50 The respondent did not call Ms Gaha to give evidence. Three things are, however, clear from the terms of the email
sent by Ms Gaha. The first is that when she referred to ‘clinical disturbance’ Ms Gaha was referring to
mental illness. Ms VS says that she was not mentally ill. There is no evidence that she was mentally ill. As Ms Gaha says
in her email, she ‘thought’ that Ms Simundic was clinically disturbed. For purposes of the AD Act a disability
is a disability a person is thought to have, whether or not they in fact have it (s49A(b) AD Act).
51 The second thing clear from the terms of the email sent by Ms Gaha is that she viewed Ms VS as posing a physical
threat to staff and students: she says she was unsure how to ensure the safety of herself and staff, and that she feared Ms
Simundic’s capacity to cause harm. The only grounds she gives for these fears are her suspicion that it was Ms Simundic
who had sent a threatening letter, and the opinion of another person, Pam Niland, that Ms VS was threat to staff safety.
52 The third thing clear from the terms of the email sent by Ms Gaha is that she attributed the danger that she believed
Ms VS posed, at least to some extent, to Ms Simundic’s being clinically disturbed, as Ms Gaha thought she was.
In terms of the AD Act, Ms Gaha attributed to Ms Simundic, as a person she thought had a mental illness, the characteristic
of posing a threat to the physical safety of others
53 In these circumstances Ms Gaha attributed to Ms Simundic a characteristic that in our view is commonly attributed
to people with a mental illness – that of posing a risk of physical violence.
54 Professor Holmes was called by Ms Simundic to be cross-examined. He said that he felt it his duty to take seriously,
at face value, concerns expressed by a senior member of the University that there could be harm to a student or members of
staff. He said he gave the advice that he did, and sent the email to the people he did, on the basis of the concern expressed
as to the risk of harm, and not on the basis of the grounds on which Ms Gaha had formed a view as to the existence of the
risk. He took her concerns at face value and responded to them.
55 To know if the University discriminated against Ms Simundic we must ask whether Ms VS was treated less favourably
than a person whom the University did not think had a mental illness was or would have been treated in the same circumstances.
56 For purposes of making this comparison, the circumstances are that of a Head of School deciding how to deal with a student
whom she believed posed a threat to safety based on suspicions from earlier conduct and the opinion of a colleague. If Ms
VS ’s perceived disability, and consequent attributed characteristics, are removed from the circumstances for purposes
of the comparison, it seems likely that Ms Gaha would have acted in the same way. We are given no reason to think that Ms
Gaha would have acted differently, that is that she would not have alerted the Vice Chancellor to her fears, had the fears
been based only on suspicions from earlier conduct and the opinion of a colleague, and not as well on a belief that Ms Simundic
had a mental illness
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57 We are of the view that a person not thought to have a mental illness would not have been treated differently in the same
circumstances. If Ms Gaha was deciding how to deal with a student whom she believed posed a threat to safety based on suspicions
from earlier conduct and the opinion of a colleague, she would have acted as she did. 58 Similarly, for purposes of making
a comparison, the circumstances are that of a Vice Chancellor responding to a report from a Head of School that a student
was believed to pose a threat to safety. If Ms VS ’s perceived disability, and consequent attributed characteristics,
are removed from the circumstances for purposes of the comparison, it seems likely that Professor Holmes would have acted
in the same way. For the reasons he gave in his evidence, Professor Holmes would have responded as he did, to the people that
he did. A person not thought to have a mental illness would not have been treated differently in the same circumstances. If
Professor Holmes was responding to a report about a student whom it was believed, on the basis only of suspicions from earlier
conduct and the opinion of a colleague, to pose a threat to safety, he would have acted as he did. Stress disorder
59 The second way in which Ms VS says that she was discriminated against on the ground of disability is that, although
she did not have a mental illness, she was suffering a psychological disability – stress disorder – that
the respondent failed to acknowledge or make proper allowance for in its dealings with her
60 Her complaint is that she was not treated in a way that she says she should have been treated because of her disability.
Rather than not being given access to a benefit on the ground of her disability, Ms VS says that her disability obliged the
respondent to extend to her a benefit but they did not.
61 The respondent says that it did not know of any psychological injury suffered by Ms VS at the time she says that
it should have taken account of it. The evidence on this is equivocal. Certainly Ms VS had been diagnosed with post-traumatic
stress disorder some years before her enrolment at the University, and medical reports to that effect were tendered. Ms VS
appears to have not declared that condition when enrolling.
62 The counsellor to whom Ms Simundic was referred by Professor English, in August 1999, Nanette Bryant, did not formally
diagnose Ms VS , and was not professionally qualified to do so. In her evidence to the Tribunal Ms Bryant described her role
as one of helping Ms VS overcome the “negative effects” of her dealings with the University, and of managing
her feelings of anger and distress.
63 We do not need to decide whether the University knew of any psychological injury suffered by Ms VS , as even if
it was on notice as to such an injury, Ms VS is unable to establish discriminatory conduct in these circumstances.
64 It may be that in some circumstances a failure to take steps to extend certain facilities or considerations to a
student with a disability in the area of education is unlawful discriminatory conduct. Such circumstances may be where a student,
in order to receive only the usual benefits of the educational program, requires some positive steps to be taken because of
their disability. In our view those circumstances are not present in this matter. The circumstances of Ms VS ’s
dealings with the respondent do not support a claim that the respondent was obliged to treat her more favourably than it treated
other students who did not suffer the psychological harm she did.
65 For these reasons we find that complaint of discrimination on the ground of disability is not substantiated Victimisation
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66 In dismissing the respondent’s s111 application we saw in the written material Ms VS had filed sufficient
indication of a victimisation complaint to allow the matter to proceed to an inquiry. Principally, at that stage, we could
see that the respondent was aware, at a time before it acted towards Ms VS in a way that could be characterised as a detriment,
of the fact that Ms Simundic had made allegations of discriminatory conduct.
67 In the inquiry we heard no evidence that established any causal nexus between the fact that Ms VS had made allegations
of discriminatory conduct and any subsequent conduct by the respondent.
We cannot reasonably draw any such inference from the written material in evidence.
Accordingly, the complaint of victimisation is not substantiated.
Orders 1. Pursuant to s113(1)(a) of the Anti-Discrimination Act, the complaints are dismissed.
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Mr. S. Rice original decision published was defamatory statement I knew I couldn’t overturn. Despite accepting
that as the 'Law', my decision was to object to statements and paragraphs published hoping that at least the most obvious
defamation would be removed. It become years of correspondence where every allegation VS Mr Rice was supported by strong evidence
and every time I would send copies to ICAC, Mr. Howard, NSW Premier and every important politician I could find contact information.
Evidence of his criminal behaviour was mounting and Mr. Rice finally understood that I wouldn’t allow my name being
trashed in his court. Under the pressure he removed the long version (of which I have copy) and published this one page decision.
Even this was defamatory. How much this process had cost me emotionally, as well as my family, NSW Government will never be
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1 For the reasons we give below Ms VS is unsuccessful in her discrimination complaints. The complaints
are not substantiated and are dismissed
Factual background |
to this day MR RICE
REFUSES to publish THE TRUTH; Who represented UNI and WHY they decided to TERMINATE the contract 11 NOV 2003 MLJ LAWYERS
HEARING
DATES: 15 & 16 Oct 2003 and
12 & 13/Feb 2004 REPRESENTATION: APPLICANT 15 & 16 Oct 2003 M Keeley, solicitor 12
& 13 Feb 2004 In person RESPONDENT 15 & 16 Oct 2003 S Winters,
barrister 12
& 13 Feb 2004 S Beach, solicitor |
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2 Ms VS’s relevant history with the University is that after successfully competing the first year of a Bachelor
of Arts degree program in 1995, she enrolled in a Bachelor of Social Work degree program in 1996. In that year she passed
three subjects and failed a fourth. In 1997 and 1998 she repeated that failed subject and passed it, and passed seven further
subjects. In 1999 she passed two subjects and failed a third, which was her field placement. In 2000 Ms VS failed the
repeat of the 1999 field placement subject, failed a further subject, Foundations of Law, and withdrew from another subject.
In 2001 Ms VS commenced leave of absence from the social work degree program and has not returned to it. |
3 Ms VS’s failure* in Foundations of Law resulted from her having applied for and received special consideration
to sit for the exam at a later date. As she did not make arrangements to sit the exam within a specified time, a ‘fail’
mark was recorded. *failure |
4 Ms
VS ’s failure in the 1999 field placement was the subject of an internal inquiry after Ms VS lodged grievance
with the University. The inquiry upheld her grievance in part, and found that her placement has been unreasonably terminated. |
5 Ms VS ’s failure in the 2000 field placement was the
subject of an internal inquiry after Ms VS lodged a further grievance with the University. The inquiry rejected some
of the complaints, and was unable to resolve the remainder. Procedural background
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6 Ms
VS lodged complaints with the Anti-Discrimination Board (ADB) on 7 November 2000 alleging
discrimination on the grounds of race, imputed disability and age, all in the area of education, and alleging victimisation.
She identified the University of Newcastle as the respondent to her complaints. The conduct complained of occurred in the
period September to December 1998, two years before the complaints were lodged |
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On 31 January 2002 the University responded to the allegations. On 23 February
2002 the President of the ADB exercised his discretion under s88(4) of the Anti-Discrimination Act 1997 (NSW) (AD Act)
and accepted the complaints out of time. |
8 After a failed attempt * to conciliate the complaint the
President, at the request* of Ms VS, referred the complaints to this Tribunal for inquiry 9 The matter was listed for
hearing. At the and of 15 October 2003, the first day of hearing, after Ms VS had given her
evidence, the respondent applied to the Tribunal under s111 of the AD Act for the complaints to be dismissed. |
10 On 16 October 2003 the Tribunal refused the application
and directed that the hearing proceed on an adjourned date. The hearing proceeded 12 February 2004 and concluded on 13 February
2004. Written submissions were subsequently filed
11 Ms VS represented herself for a substantial part of the
proceedings. She had legal representation only for her evidence in chief, and in relation to the s111 dismissal application.
12 The legal and evidentiary issues that are raised by a complaint
of discrimination are complex. It was appropriate for the Tribunal to extend its assistance to Ms VS within the bounds
discussed by the Full Federal Court in Minogue v Human Rights and Equal Opportunity Commission [1999] FCA 85. Further, the
Tribunal used its powers under the Administrative Decisions Tribunal Act to “inquire into and inform itself on any matter
in such manner as it thinks fit, subject to the rules of natural justice” (s73(2)), and to act with as little formality
as possible, without regard to technicalities or legal forms (s73(3)). The Tribunal acted under its obligations to ensure
that Ms VS understood the nature and legal implications of the issues that arose, to explain to her its procedures and
rulings, and to ensure that she had the fullest opportunity practicable to be heard (s73(4)). 13 We note that after the time allowed for filing written submissions, after
the conclusion of the hearing, Ms VS provided further written material to the Tribunal. We have taken into account this
material in coming to our decision. |
14 The facts as they were presented to us were many and complicated.
Many of the matters raised by Ms VS , whatever their substance or merit assessed against other considerations, were not matters
arising under the AD Act. The inquiry, and this decision, is limited to the matters complained of by Ms VS that are
possible contraventions of the AD Act.
15 No documents in the form of pleadings were filed with Tribunal.
The Tribunal directed that the inquiry would proceed on the basis of the President’s report and any further statements
filed (see eg Gidaro v Secretary, Department of Social Security, [1998] 400 FCA; (1998) 154 ALR 550 at pp 556-558).
16 The relevant allegations that Ms VS made were reasonably
consistent from the time that she lodged her complaint with the ADB, but at times were obscured or complicated during her
admirable efforts to present her own case. For purposes of this decision it is helpful to set out some of our reasoning when
dismissing the application under s111, as it helps to define the issues as they had become clear during Ms VS ’s evidence.
After the issues were defined in this way the respondent had a further four months to prepare its case. |
17 In dismissing the s111 application we said:
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there is evidence of Ms VS being subject to treatment which caused her a detriment and which may have been on
the ground of her race . . . As well there is evidence of Ms VS being expected to meet standards of English expression
and comprehension which, it might be argued, a higher proportion of people not of her race may be able to meet . . .
. . . there is evidence – in fact
we think it is probably conceded – that a disability was imputed to Ms VS and there is evidence of her being subject
to treatment which caused her detriment and which may have been on the ground of her disability and which may have been less
favourable treatment . . . . . . there is evidence of Ms VS having made an allegation which would, if established, be
a breach of . . . s 50(c) [AD Act – victimisation].
18 Ms VS did not maintain the age discrimination complaint,
which was dismissed.
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19 Ms Simundic identifies three ways in which she was treated less
favourably on the ground of her race. In each instance she says that not being able to speak and understand English as fluently
as if it was her first language is a characteristic of her national and ethnic origin, which is Bosnian. We agree that her
not being able to speak and understand English as fluently as if it was her first language is a characteristic of her national
and ethnic origin.
Comment by Ms Flynn 20
In her affidavit of 29 August 2003 Ms VS said at [9] that “Ms Flynn . . . referred to me not understanding her because
of my language”. In her grievance to the University in 2000 Ms Simundic had complained of discrimination on the basis
of her language (Grievance Enquiry Team (GET) Report 9 July 2001 at [3.4.1]); the GET Report did not elaborate on this grievance,
and made no finding on it. |
21 Ms Simundic says first that her placement supervisor,
Ms Leanne Flynn, treated her less favourably on the ground of this characteristic when, in a meeting in September 1998, Ms
Flynn is alleged to have said to Ms VS words to the effect “I cannot recall that Vesna. Maybe you did not understand
very well, maybe your language”. That account of what Ms Flynn is alleged to have said is in a written account of the
whole meeting that Ms VS prepared and annexed to her affidavit. On 21 January 1999 Ms Simundic wrote to the Deputy Vice-Chancellor
Professor English in a letter annexed to her affidavit, and said that what had been said by Ms Flynn was “I cannot recall
that, maybe you did not understand very well, maybe your language or cultural difference”. 22 The lawyer for the respondent, Ms Beach, submitted that these two accounts
of what Ms Flynn said are inconsistent. In our view they are not inconsistent. The latter contains slightly more detail than
the former, without in any way altering the essential nature of what Ms VS says she recalls was said. We note that Ms Beach
elected to not cross-examine Ms Simundic, so Ms Simundic was given no opportunity to address any alleged inconsistency. |
23 Ms Beach submitted that we should not accept Ms VS ’s
accounts of what was said as credible because they differ, and were recorded by Ms VS one year and then five years after the
event. Ms Beach relies on the documentary record of Ms Simundic’s accounts, and says it speaks for itself in establishing
that Ms VS ’s account is not credible. As we have said, however, in our view the accounts do not differ in any material
sense. One of the documents was clearly written only four months after the event. The other is undated and Ms Beach speculates
that it was written at the same time as the affidavit to which it is annexed. We do not know that to be the case. Again we
note that Ms Simundic was not cross-examined.
24 Ms Beach submitted that there is no evidence that the comments
were made by Ms Flynn. That is not so. There is in fact Ms Simundic’s uncontested evidence. As we noted above, the University
elected to not cross-examine Ms Simundic, so it was at no stage suggested to Ms VS that she misremembered what was said or
had fabricated her account of it. If there was another version of Ms Flynn’s comments it would have come from Ms Flynn
herself, but the University elected to not call her to give evidence. From that we infer that had Ms Flynn given evidence,
it would not have assisted the University’s argument that the comments were not made as Ms Simundic alleges. (Jones
v Dunkel (1959) 101 CLR 298 per Kitto J at 308; Windeyer J at 322). |
25 We have been given no reason to not accept that the comment
was made as alleged by Ms Simundic. The question is whether the making of the comment was discriminatory. Was Ms Simundic
treated less favourably than a person not of that race was or would have been treated in the same circumstances? For purposes
of making the comparison, the circumstances are that of a field supervisor rejecting an account given by a student of a previous
discussion, in the belief that the student had misunderstood what had previously been said.
26 We are of the view that a person not of Ms Simundic’s
national and ethnic origin, for example a person whose national and ethnic origin was Anglo-Australian, would have been treated
differently in the same circumstances. If their account was dismissed in the belief that they had misunderstood what had previously
been said, it clearly would not have been on the ground of the race-based characteristic of not being able to speak and understand
English as fluently as if it was their first language. Some other reason would necessarily have been suggested for the belief
that they had misunderstood. |
27 Is this ‘different’ treatment less favourable
treatment? For there to be less favourable treatment, and so unlawful discrimination, the treatment must cause detriment to
the person (Haines v Leves (1987) 8 NSWLR 442 at 471C per Kirby P). By detriment we mean some disadvantage relative to the
actual or hypothetical comparator.
28 Ms VS ’s evidence is that Ms Flynn’s comments
caused her trauma and psychological damage. It can be argued that emotional harm can be a ‘detriment’ for purposes
of assessing less favourable treatment but we do not need to decide that in this matter.
29 Even if emotional harm can be a ‘detriment’
for purposes of assessing less favourable treatment, the most that we can reasonably accept from Ms Simundic’s own account
of the effect of Ms Flynn’s comments is that they upset her – we have no evidence of any actual damage she has
suffered. Nor is Ms VS specific in identifying which of the many comments she alleges against Ms Flynn were the ones
that hurt her. The extent of the “verbal abuse” Ms VS alleges against Ms Flynn is well beyond the single reference
Ms Flynn made to national and ethnic origin. In the circumstances there is no evidence that it was Ms Flynn’s to reference
to national and ethnic origin that caused Ms Simundic her to suffer a detriment. There is therefore no
substantiated breach of the Act.Access to blind marking |
30 In her affidavit of 29 August 2003 Ms Simundic said at
[9] that “the policy of ‘blind marking’ could not protect me but in fact singled me out from other students”.
In her grievance to the University in 2000 Ms Simundic had complained of the process of blind marking (Grievance Enquiry Team
(GET) Report 9 July 2001 at [5.0-5.3]) but not of discrimination in that process.
31 On 21 January 1999 Ms VS wrote to Professor English in
a letter that is annexed to her affidavit, and said If a student who . . . came from a non-English speaking background, without
being able to read, write and communicate on the same level as students who are born here, does the policy of blind marking
gave an excellent opportunity to mark unfairly? . . . when it comes to
a non-English speaking student . . . our ability to write is very recognizable ....denying that our work is NOT recognizable is the core of discrimination
32 The lawyer for the respondent, Ms Beach, gave evidence
for her own client by way of affidavit in which she purports to explain [at 30] how blind marking operates and why it is used.
She says that blind marking is a “means of marking a de-identified assessment or examination paper to obtain a second
opinion”. We do not know why or with what authority Ms Beach, the University solicitor, gives this evidence, but the
description accords with the experience of the Tribunal in such matters. A letter from the Head of the Social Work Department,
Ms Gaha, to Ms VS says “[your] assessment was marked twice . . . a number of assessments within a group are blind marked
by a second marker to double check the marker’s standard . . . [the blind marker’s comments] are attached. Those
attached comments refer throughout merely to “the author” of the paper being marked. | |
33 Further in her affidavit Ms Beach [at 33] “asserts
that the practice of blind marking is not discriminatory;. This is, as Ms Beach says, mere assertion. In her actual written
submissions filed after the hearing, Ms Beach does not address the issue of blind marking.
34 Ms VS ’s allegation is that she could receive the
benefit of blind marking only if her written expression was as fluent as a person from an English-speaking background. Her
claim is that the marking was no longer ‘blind’, and she could be identified, as soon as it was apparent from
her written expression that English was not her first language.
35 The benefit of blind marking, to which Ms VS says she had
access on condition that she could express herself as well as a person from an English-speaking background, is unbiased assessment.
Concealing the identity of the student – through blind marking – is a means to that end. For a student to have
their identity concealed from the assessor is not a benefit in itself; the benefit only accrues to the student if and when
the assessing is unbiased. .
36 Ms VS is probably correct to say that the efficacy
of blind marking as a means of concealing a student’s identity is dependent to a degree on the student’s ability
to not identify themselves through their manner of written expression. Depending on the size of the respective number of students
of English and non-English speaking backgrounds in the pool of students who are being marked, an assessor may well be able
to identify a student from their written expression. Ms VS , for example, says that in her situation she was one of only two
social work students from a non-English speaking background. That is a matter the respondent may want to consider in its future
management of blind marking. |
37 Ms VS has identified the risk of being identified
in the blind marking process, and has asserted that it in fact happened to her. There is no evidence in this case that it
did. There is real doubt as to who the blind marker was and whether the correct paper was marked. Even if we were able to
say who the blind marker was, there is no evidence that they did in fact know Ms VS ’s identity. The report of the person
whom the respondent says was the blind marker, Alex Beveridge – disputed by Ms VS – is at annexure 6 of
Ms Beach’s affidavit. It betrays no knowledge of the identity of the student whose paper was being marked, and makes
no reference, even by implication, to the written expression of the paper being marked.
38 Even if it could be established that Ms VS had been
identified by the assessor, there is no evidence that she did not then receive the benefit of an unbiased assessment of her
paper. In those circumstances there is no established breach of the ActField placement |
39 Ms VS has a large number of grievances concerning things
she says her field placement supervisors said and did. Only the allegation relating to her English language ability as a characteristic
of race is within this Tribunal’s jurisdiction.
40 This allegation of discriminatory conduct concerns things said
by Ms VS ’s field placement supervisors during her placement at Gosford Hospital in 2000. These supervisors were, at
the relevant time, employees of either Gosford Hospital or the Area Health Service; it does not matter which, as the point
is that they were not employed by or contracted to the respondent. Thus the allegation is not made against the respondent
or any of its employees or contractors. Ms VS had understandably made and pursued the complaint on the basis that those
supervising her placement for purposes of her studies, and reporting to the respondent on that placement, were in an employment
relation ship with the respondent.
41 That the field placement supervisors were not employed by or
contracted to the respondent was first stated by the respondent only in Ms Beach’s affidavit filed after Tribunal’s
decision to dismiss the respondent’s s111 application. The point had not been taken by the respondent in its s111 application.
Ms VS cross-examined of Ms Beach who, unusually, as the University’s solicitor gave evidence in her client’s
case. The cross-examination allowed Ms Beach to elaborate on the relationship between the field placement supervisors and
the respondent – the concept of “conjoint appointments”. It was the evidence *of Ms Atkins, one of the field
placement supervisors, that satisfied us that she was not at the relevant time an employee or contractor of the respondent.
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42 For these reasons we find that complaint of discrimination on
the ground of race is not substantiated.
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of the field placement supervisors only as an aider and abettor under s52 of the AD Act. But that issue cannot arise unless
and until it is established that the conduct of the field placement supervisors was unlawful discrimination. We do not have
before us any complaint against the field placement supervisors as individuals, or against their employer. No such complaint
was referred to us by the President of the Anti-Discrimination Board. We therefore have no jurisdiction to make findings about
the lawfulness of the conduct of the field placement supervisors. |
44 While the Tribunal has the power to join a person as a respondent
to the inquiry if it is of the opinion that that person ought be joined (s98 AD Act), in the circumstances we
did not exercise that power. The extent of the allegation regarding English language ability as a characteristic of race,
in relation to the field placement, was minimal. It turned on comments made in the end of placement report. The report commented
adversely on Ms VS ’s communication skills generally. Specifically, it identified her “understanding of English”
as an issue for discussion. Ms Atkin’s evidence was that her concern had not been the fact of Ms VS ’s English
language comprehension, but Ms VS ’s failure to say when she did not understand so that the point could be made clearer
for her. Similarly, the report identified Ms VS ’s failure to acknowledge that she did not understand slang, rather
than the fact of her not understanding slang, as a matter to be addressed. The evidence therefore indicated that to us that
to the extent that Ms Simundic’s English language comprehension was an issue in her field placement, it was one that
was being raised in circumstances that would benefit her, rather than cause her detriment. Disability |
45 Ms VS says she was discriminated against on the ground of disability
in two ways. Presumed disability | |
46 In August 2000 Ms VS wrote a memo, annexed to her
affidavit, in which she complained that “Ms Gaha . . . made defamatory statement about me last year – none of
them the truth – and I am labelled as ‘clinically disturb student’ in the eyes of many staff who work in
the Chancellery”. Ms VS attached to her affidavit of 29 August 2003 a copy of an email sent by Ms Gaha to the
Vice Chancellor, Professor Holmes, on 26 August 1999, and of his reply. Ms VS ’s complaint is that Ms Gaha “labelled”
her to the Vice Chancellor as “clinically disturbed”, and that the Vice Chancellor conveyed to a number of people
in the University this concern that Ms Simundic was a threat to the safety of students and staff. |
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her email Ms Gaha had written that she suspected that Ms Simundic had earlier in the year been the author of a threatening
letter, that a colleague had said that staff needed to be aware of their safety in Ms VS ’s presence, that Ms Simundic
had been making “defamatory” statements, that she was concerned that Ms VS “could cause harm to a
fellow student or staff member”, and that she thought “that this student is clinically disturbed”. She sought
Professor Holmes’s advice. |
48 In his reply, which he copied to three officers of the
University, Professor Holmes took account of the “background” Ms Gaha described, and said that “immediate
and appropriate action is warranted”. He advised that Ms VS should be warned that “intimidatory and /or
defamatory behaviour “ will not be tolerated, that she should be warned of possible consequences, and that she should
be referred to counselling.
49 Ms VS makes many allegations the manner in which
Ms Gaha treated her. However only the allegation concerning ‘disability’
is within this Tribunal’s jurisdiction. Other allegations relate more generally to Ms Gaha’s professionalism
and demeanour in her dealings with Ms VS . Ms VS has not said that she believes Ms Gaha’s treatment of
her more generally was on the ground of the imputed disability, and it is not possible
to infer from her many written documents that that has been her belief. |
50 The respondent did not call Ms Gaha to give evidence. Three things are, however, clear from the terms of the email sent by Ms Gaha. The first is that when
she referred to ‘clinical disturbance’ Ms Gaha was referring to mental illness. Ms VS says that she was
not mentally ill. There is no evidence that she was mentally ill. As Ms Gaha says in her email, she ‘thought’
that Ms Simundic was clinically disturbed. For purposes of the AD Act a disability is a disability a person is thought to
have, whether or not they in fact have it (s49A(b) AD Act).
51 The second thing clear from the terms of the email sent
by Ms Gaha is that she viewed Ms VS as posing a physical threat to staff and students: she says she was unsure how to
ensure the safety of herself and staff, and that she feared Ms Simundic’s capacity to cause harm. The only grounds she
gives for these fears are her suspicion that it was Ms Simundic who had sent a threatening letter, and the opinion of another
person, Pam Niland, that Ms VS was threat to staff safety. |
52 The third thing clear from the terms of the email sent by Ms
Gaha is that she attributed the danger that she believed Ms VS posed, at least to some extent, to Ms Simundic’s
being clinically disturbed, as Ms Gaha thought she was. In terms of the AD Act, Ms Gaha attributed to Ms Simundic, as a person
she thought had a mental illness, the characteristic of posing a threat to the physical safety of others 53 In these circumstances Ms Gaha attributed to Ms Simundic a characteristic that
in our view is commonly attributed to people with a mental illness – that of posing a risk of physical violence. |
54 Professor Holmes was called by Ms Simundic to be cross-examined.
He said that he felt it his duty to take seriously, at face value, concerns expressed by a senior member of the University
that there could be harm to a student or members of staff. He said he gave the advice that he did, and sent the email to the
people he did, on the basis of the concern expressed as to the risk of harm, and not on the basis of the grounds on which
Ms Gaha had formed a view as to the existence of the risk. He took her concerns at face value and responded to them.
55 To know if the University discriminated against Ms Simundic we must
ask whether Ms VS was treated less favourably than a person whom the University did not think had a mental illness was
or would have been treated in the same circumstances. 56 For purposes of making this comparison, the circumstances are that
of a Head of School deciding how to deal with a student whom she believed posed a threat to safety based on suspicions from
earlier conduct and the opinion of a colleague. If Ms VS ’s perceived disability, and consequent attributed characteristics,
are removed from the circumstances for purposes of the comparison, it seems likely that Ms Gaha would have acted in the same
way. We are given no reason to think that Ms Gaha would have acted differently, that is that she would not have alerted the
Vice Chancellor to her fears, had the fears been based only on suspicions from earlier conduct and the opinion of a colleague,
and not as well on a belief that Ms Simundic had a mental illness | |
57 We are of the view that a person not thought to have a mental
illness would not have been treated differently in the same circumstances. If Ms Gaha was deciding how to deal with a student
whom she believed posed a threat to safety based on suspicions from earlier conduct and the opinion of a colleague, she would
have acted as she did. 58 Similarly, for purposes of making a comparison, the circumstances are that of a Vice Chancellor
responding to a report from a Head of School that a student was believed to pose a threat to safety. If Ms VS ’s perceived
disability, and consequent attributed characteristics, are removed from the circumstances for purposes of the comparison,
it seems likely that Professor Holmes would have acted in the same way. For the reasons he gave in his evidence, Professor
Holmes would have responded as he did, to the people that he did. A person not thought to have a mental illness would not
have been treated differently in the same circumstances. If Professor Holmes was responding to a report about a student whom
it was believed, on the basis only of suspicions from earlier conduct and the opinion of a colleague, to pose a threat to
safety, he would have acted as he did. Stress disorder |
59 The second way in which Ms VS says that she was discriminated
against on the ground of disability is that, although she did not have a mental illness, she was suffering a psychological
disability – stress disorder – that the respondent failed to acknowledge or make proper allowance for in its dealings
with her 60 Her complaint is that she was
not treated in a way that she says she should have been treated because of her disability. Rather than not being given access
to a benefit on the ground of her disability, Ms VS says that her disability obliged the respondent to extend to her
a benefit but they did not. |
61 The respondent says that it did not know of any psychological
injury suffered by Ms VS at the time she says that it should have taken account of it. The evidence on this is equivocal.
Certainly Ms VS had been diagnosed with post-traumatic stress disorder some years before her enrolment at the University,
and medical reports to that effect were tendered. Ms VS appears to have not declared that condition when enrolling. 62 The counsellor to whom Ms Simundic was referred by Professor English, in August
1999, Nanette Bryant, did not formally diagnose Ms VS , and was not professionally qualified to do so. In
her evidence to the Tribunal Ms Bryant described her role as one of helping Ms VS overcome the “negative effects”
of her dealings with the University, and of managing her feelings of anger and distress. |
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We do not need to decide whether the University knew of any psychological injury suffered by Ms VS , as even if it was on
notice as to such an injury, Ms VS is unable to establish discriminatory conduct in these circumstances. |
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It may be that in some circumstances a failure to take steps to extend certain facilities or considerations to a student with
a disability in the area of education is unlawful discriminatory conduct. Such circumstances may be where a student, in order
to receive only the usual benefits of the educational program, requires some positive steps to be taken because of their disability.
In our view those circumstances are not present in this matter. The circumstances of Ms VS ’s dealings with the respondent
do not support a claim that the respondent was obliged to treat her more favourably than it treated other students who did
not suffer the psychological harm she did. |
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For these reasons we find that complaint of discrimination on the ground of disability is not substantiated Victimisation | |
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In dismissing
the respondent’s s111 application we saw in the written material Ms VS had filed sufficient indication of a victimisation
complaint to allow the matter to proceed to an inquiry. Principally, at that stage, we could see that the respondent was aware,
at a time before it acted towards Ms VS in a way that could be characterised as a detriment, of the fact that Ms Simundic
had made allegations of discriminatory conduct. |
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In the inquiry we heard no evidence that established any causal nexus between the fact that Ms VS had made allegations of discriminatory conduct
and any subsequent conduct by the respondent. |
We cannot reasonably draw any such inference from the written material in evidence.
Accordingly, the complaint of victimisation is not substantiated. Orders 1. Pursuant to s113(1)(a) of the Anti-Discrimination
Act, the complaints are dismissed. |
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